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This pig shot a man that was in custody? Because he was mad at him? WTF? And he is begrudgingly given even a year in jail? WTF??
Anders Shot, Killed Handcuffed Suspect In December 2004, Police Say
POSTED: 11:09 pm MST March 3, 2006
UPDATED: 11:13 pm MST March 3, 2006
ALAMOGORDO, N.M. -- Billy Anders, the former sheriff's deputy who pleaded guilty to shooting and killing a handcuffed man, will spend one year behind bars, Action 7 News reported.Anders was sentenced Friday in Alamogordo.
VIDEO: Anders Sentenced"If I could do it all over again, in hindsight your honor, I would do it differently," Anders said in court. "We don't have the benefit, unfortunately."Defense lawyers were hoping that Anders one-year sentence would be served with an ankle bracelet, rather than jail."The mandatory sentence in this case is one year," said Judge James Waylon Counts. "I have no legal authority to allow Mr. Anders to serve that one year anywhere but with the Department of Corrections.""He'll do it, and he'll do it well, and he'll be model prisoner and he'll make them proud of him," said Anders' attorney, Bob Doughty.The former Otero County deputy killed Earl Flippen on Dec. 18, 2004, after finding his partner's body outside of Flippen's home.Police said they believe Flippen murdered Anders' partner.Anders shot Flippen moments after handcuffing the suspect, a moment that was caught on the dashboard camera of Anders' police cruiser.District attorney Scotty Key said he hated to be involved in the case, but he believed it was the right thing to do."Billy Anders is not a typical defendant, he's a police officer," Key said. "He's a good person who did a bad thing one time and it had tragic, disastrous results."Anders' family was visibly upset after the verdict was read. Action 7 News reported that they weren't the only ones hoping for a lighter sentence."Is the world better off for Bill Anders going to prison?" asked Otero County Sheriff John Blansett. "Certainly not. Is the world better off for Earl Flippen dying? On a personal level, I believe so."Security was tight around the courthouse, due to a threat made by the white supremacist group, Aryan Brotherhood, against AndersAnders was free Friday night and is scheduled to turn himself into authorities next week.Doughty said Anders could be home sooner than a year on good behavior.Friday was Anders' 63rd birthday.
VIDEO: Anders Sentenced"If I could do it all over again, in hindsight your honor, I would do it differently," Anders said in court. "We don't have the benefit, unfortunately."Defense lawyers were hoping that Anders one-year sentence would be served with an ankle bracelet, rather than jail."The mandatory sentence in this case is one year," said Judge James Waylon Counts. "I have no legal authority to allow Mr. Anders to serve that one year anywhere but with the Department of Corrections.""He'll do it, and he'll do it well, and he'll be model prisoner and he'll make them proud of him," said Anders' attorney, Bob Doughty.The former Otero County deputy killed Earl Flippen on Dec. 18, 2004, after finding his partner's body outside of Flippen's home.Police said they believe Flippen murdered Anders' partner.Anders shot Flippen moments after handcuffing the suspect, a moment that was caught on the dashboard camera of Anders' police cruiser.District attorney Scotty Key said he hated to be involved in the case, but he believed it was the right thing to do."Billy Anders is not a typical defendant, he's a police officer," Key said. "He's a good person who did a bad thing one time and it had tragic, disastrous results."Anders' family was visibly upset after the verdict was read. Action 7 News reported that they weren't the only ones hoping for a lighter sentence."Is the world better off for Bill Anders going to prison?" asked Otero County Sheriff John Blansett. "Certainly not. Is the world better off for Earl Flippen dying? On a personal level, I believe so."Security was tight around the courthouse, due to a threat made by the white supremacist group, Aryan Brotherhood, against AndersAnders was free Friday night and is scheduled to turn himself into authorities next week.Doughty said Anders could be home sooner than a year on good behavior.Friday was Anders' 63rd birthday. This pig shot a man that was in custody? Because he was mad at him? WTF? And he is begrudgingly given even a year in jail? WTF??
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Date: 2006-03-06 10:22 pm (UTC)Bill Anders
Date: 2006-03-12 12:02 pm (UTC)Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-03-12 12:13 pm (UTC)Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-03-12 01:12 pm (UTC)But will society be better off with Bill Ander's behind bars?
BILL ANDERS
Date: 2006-03-15 12:20 pm (UTC)Re: BILL ANDERS
Date: 2006-05-11 11:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-03-16 08:05 am (UTC)You sit comfortably behind your cute little computer, pecking away and making your simple little observations and judging this "pig" for an action that any informed individual deemed just.
This country is full of people like you, whos biggest concern is how to get daddy or hubby to pay off that inflated credit card bill and where to go to get your hands on that must have consumable item (shoes, car, FOOD!, you name it).
You have never experienced the extreme circumstances that Billy did that night, and will probable stumble through life judging people and events through eyes that have never wanted for anything in life (I mean really wanting, try going out in the world, and see the conditions the majority of folks live with).
This man is a hero to anyone who is aquainted with the facts,not just the headlines written by people who cater to people like you who gobble them up and all the sudden know the truth.
So, Ginny bolggity blog, go ahead and erase this post just like you did my last. Continue your little sheltered judging lifestyle. You can thank men like Billy Anders for the very safety you enjoy and exploit.
no subject
Date: 2006-03-16 12:09 pm (UTC)Let the Ad Hominem attacks begin!
Your last post was deleted because it was profane and threatening.
Your observations are inane and inaccurate.
Your commentary is ill informed and incorrect.
The action in relation to the law is what was judged. The law applies to everyone or to no one. The enforcers of the law should actually be held to a higher standard since they are given such power and latitude.
You display the us versus them mentality in relation to law enforcement and civilians that can no longer be tolerated.
no subject
Date: 2006-03-16 06:29 pm (UTC)My post was no more profane than yours. Ok, I spelled out F@#ck instead of your cute little "WTF" comment in regards to your reference to the "pig" comment. By the way, here it is:
"This pig shot a man that was in custody? Because he was mad at him? WTF? And he is begrudgingly given even a year in jail? WTF??
Tags: wtf"
My attacks might be "ad hominem", but it is rather difficult to avoid attacking the messenger when it comes in the form of an obviously out of shape, homely and uninformed couch potato behind the key board.
My point is that it is much easier to talk about higher standards and fling comments around about that which you have no idea. I have spent over 16 years in the military, some of which was in Iraq. I can tell you a perfect world and action does not exist when you are in a fight for your life.
Billy went from responding to a shots fired call to an all out gunfight. This was in the middle of winter, in the middle of the night, in the middle of nowhere, with no backup anywhere. He was yelling for his partner while he fought an animal who had already killed three and soon to be five, including a three year old girl.
Once that animal was "subdued", Billy continued to shout for his best friend and partner, Bob, who he found a few feet away around the house. He was splayed over a decking, hanging upside down with his head partially removed, in the words of one witness "like something out of Texas Chainsaw Massacre".
So, in the heat of passion, and the spur of the moment, Billy fired on more shot into this career animal while he rolled around on the ground trying to get up (with a large metal piece of car jack he had his hand on). No law inforcement officer, let alone rational human being who viewed the macabre events unfold on the video tape, faulted Billy's response as a human under acute stress.
Billy has been faulted by the law and our flawed justice system, and is paying the price. He fully accepts responsibility for his actions. Neither the judge nor the prosecutor felt good about the outcome. The judge remarked that he was handcuffed (no pun intended) by the mandatory sentencing laws, and the prosecutor made it clear that he wanted no part of this case; it was simply a dirty job that landed in his lap.
There is an ironically sad ending to this case. The vast majority of people confronted by this situation would not have survived the initial ambush this animal had laid for Billy (if you want to know the details, I will gladly share them with you). So, when aprehended, this animal would have been put to death for the murder of at least five, including two LEO's. I'm sure that Billy's five children and widow would have taken solace in that fact. I'm also sure the public would have been more than happy to spend millions in the process.
So, Ginny bloggity blog, have you ever had irrational fears about ghosts, monsters, or just strange noises in the night? Your mind can do strange things, even in rationally secure surroundings. Imagine that monster was real, you are alone in the night and surrounded by graphic death, and you are next. Oh, I know, the monster safe and handcuffed and Billy was a "pig", but he was still a human in a situation so extreme few others will ever know the feeling.
There are very few people worthy of judging this man; miss
bloggity blog, you are not one of them.
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Date: 2006-03-17 12:22 am (UTC)"obviously out of shape, homely and uninformed couch potato"
Hehe. Right.
There's a reason "civilians" run the government. At least there used to be.
Was the guy in custody or not? Was he handcuffed or not?
If you're gonna off someone for the horrors they've committed at least do it before he's in custody.
I will judge as I see fit mister anonymous military-dude. Especially in my own journal - which isn't even intended for mister anonymous military-dudes. So I am not real inspired to change anything.
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Date: 2006-03-17 08:10 am (UTC)You are right. Here's mister military dude again. I am no longer in the military, but I'll accept the name because I am proud to have served. I stand by my comments as well.
It is your journal, and I will leave now. I did a search on the case, and your little blog surfaced. I didn't agree or like what you said about the case in a very public forum. I am not excusing the actions.
As for the couch potato comment...I guess a pot belly, double chin, stooped shoulders, and general unfitness count as "average" these days since the average American is obese.
Have a nice life, and happy blogging!
Should have walked
Date: 2006-03-17 07:30 am (UTC)He did the right thing, even if he didn't realize it at the time. We'd all do the same thing!
Re: Should have walked
Date: 2006-05-11 11:25 am (UTC)Bill Anders
Date: 2006-04-06 12:53 pm (UTC)Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-11 11:24 am (UTC)Aryan threats?
Date: 2006-04-06 01:59 pm (UTC)Wow
Date: 2006-05-11 08:46 am (UTC)Re: Wow
Date: 2006-05-11 11:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-11 04:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-11 05:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-11 08:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-11 10:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-12 10:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-12 11:11 am (UTC)Freedom. Honor. With Anders that is exactly what I'm talking about. And it is a repeated theme. You want to control. You want to eliminate freedom. But your intellectual capacity is apparently too low to understand the simple conflicts of your statement. I'm talking about ideals - not animalness. It is not OK to kill someone in custody - period. We have a system - if it doesn't work it is our responsibility to fix it. Not sit back and say it's ok to kill him because you don't trust the system. It's your system! Are you an American or not? Don't talk to me about honor and freedom with the kind of comments you're making here. Sure I reacted with revulsion and disgust at what the criminal did - but I was appalled at what Anders, a trusted law enforcement officer, did. Is someone a hero now for killing someone they've cuffed and arrested?
And as for women and what we do or don't - the message is that you should stop trying to force your controls and ideals on us.
Choosing not to keep her legs close. Typical. All the woman's fault and responsibility. Men can't help it - they are just animals doing what they're programmed to do - is that it? How about rape? How about incest? This is all debatable - this is supposed to be a country of freedom and honor - except for this I guess? People like you look at women as objects. Aliens in a way. Completely different from men and certainly not as good or intellectually capable ultimately. Good grief - I can't respond anymore - evil indeed - you make me sick. "If ya don't think like me and have my same religion and vote the same way then you're evil and self-absorbed and uncaring and immoral." You know next to nothing about me - you have no idea that I don't vote a straight party line but vote for each candidate based on what I know about that candidate or I don't vote - you have no idea that I believe in God and Jesus - you have no idea what I do for others or what kind of charity work I do - you are reacting to some ridiculous vision in your head that I'm a lefty liberal looney which is especially ignorant since I usually vote conservative republican. Did you read back to see anything else - did you read about my repeated discussions about how great our founding fathers were? Geez. I can't be wrapped up in a neat package for you to dismiss - I actually THINK. All I was addressing was the article and the extreme dishonorable thing that was done. That's pretty much it.
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Date: 2006-05-12 11:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-13 02:33 am (UTC)Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-12 04:42 pm (UTC)But based on what I saw on the news and other programs discussing this event - if I were in a position to judge a man for such a thing - I'd let him go with a giant fucking medal on his chest.
I guess the asshole who beat up and then murdered his pregnant girlfriend (and in front of her daughter)is not the "pig", and no doubt the perfect type of "man" a knuckheaded, preumptuous, pseudo-intellectual gal (a more appropriate title, like "c*nt" is more deserving, but I'll refrain, of course) like you is attracted to.
I assure you you will no doubt find him (or her, which is actually more probable). Good luck in that!
Robb Howell
Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-12 07:16 pm (UTC)Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-12 07:24 pm (UTC)Do you know anything about principal? Do you know anything about the ideals of the American justice system?
Yeah it's broken - read one of my previous replies. All I'm doing is saying that killing someone in custody is wrong. The rest of the crap you are reading into it is your insane, semi serial-killer type thinking. Go get violently mad and spout your hate towards someone else, somewhere else.
Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-13 02:07 am (UTC)I wish to apologize to you for being so rude & disrespectful - you don't deserve that, and I am ashamed to have written you so soon after reading your own personal comments about Deputy Anders.
It was the "pig" reference that got me riled, and while I stand by my opinion about the general issue & my posture regarding your comments - what I said to you was lame and nearly unforgivable, and I am very sorry.
I sincerely hope you can see this event (the shooting) as in actuality just amazingly sad, and in a hypothetical consideration asking the question "had I been a legally armed mother to come home to discover the body of my brutaly murdered child and his/her murderer standing over that body, UNARMED, could I really say one way or the other that I would not execute that murderer in the heat of passion, similarly to Bill Anders' state of mind at the time? I don't think you could say you unequivocally WOULDN'T do that. It's absolutely SO dynamic you cannoy judge the man, especially with a monicker like "pig".
I am a father of two small children, and I can say that if I ever came upon a scene like that in my own life, with one of my children killed or brutalized with the attacker present before me, I would in no uncertain terms kill such a man.
Bill Anders probably honestly did the world a service. Did you hear his unmistakable fear & concern for his friend? His heart-wrenching calling out for him? Bill Anders loved his friend immeasurably, and had empathy and compassion for the murdered woman and most especially, just by default (revealing a humane and wonderful spirit), the little girl who is affected for life now. He had enough built-in, subconcious concern for a baby girl to put her out of harm's way before shooting the murderer who took his friend and the pregant girl. That alone tells of the spirit of the man. And now, his soul is wounded forever.
No - it's more than what we all can assess. But what we CAN assess and know as truth is that Deputy Anders matters, and what he did will haunt him for the rest of his life. Not that he took the life of an irrepresible evil human being who killed and would have kept hurting people & killing, but for the loss of a great friend, slaughtered in cold blood before he could help him. Or the woman who was killed. He's paying. And he has my support and concern, and more than that, he has my respect, and no doubt the respect of most of the country who knows what he did.
You have my respect too, for posting different sides of the issue publically and not exclusively your own; indeed, even those that insult you with passionate replies (well, mine at least) and I am glad that you did so. I didn't mean the insults - they came from anger and defensiveness for something I felt passionate about, which betrayed my own weakness in controlling my ability to navigate my feelings about it. Truly, the rudeness was about me, not you, and I hope you don't take any of it to heart. I doubt you would anyway, but there ya go....
Anyway - again, I am sorry for my inconsideration for your position & feelings, as well as your dignity. It was pretty lame.
Robb Howell
Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-13 02:45 am (UTC)Are we better off with the monster dead? Most likely. Is Mr. Anders a good man that made a terrible mistake? Sound like it. Was what he did the right thing to do? No. Should we allow law enforcement to be judge,jury,executioner when they witness a horrific crime? I'd hope the answer is obvious.
Thanks for the apology on the other things. Easily accepted. My comments were just retaliation and I think you recognized that. Cheers.
Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-13 07:26 am (UTC)As a final reply to your page here (it's actually well done and pretty neat) - all of this dialogue just goes to show in reality just how juxtaposed we human beings can be about such things in terms of perception & opinion, both in a collective social context and even a personal spiritual one - if you can get what I mean (it's hard to articulate it - I'm getting wordy as the night rolls on - well, daytime now here in L.A.)
I suppose it's the price of cognition & sentience, being alive while in general the entire world is going to shit; people at risk of being constantly on auto pilot despite themselves.
And to risk sounding like a lame, half-assed, self absorbed amateur philosopher (I assure you I am so not - I make lame rock records for a living :-), to be so passionate and affected about such a sad, sad story, I think an all too human reaction to it is always predicated on emotion (it was enough to cause all of us to talk, figuratively), and it's seemingly always important to ask that the other guy (girl, in this case - you :-)subscribe in some way to our own belief system, even adopt it because of the notion that our opinions count (and they do).
It's silly I suppose, but then again, if that didn't happen - and dare I say, even the anger & name calling when it gets heated - we would never have gotten out of the trees. So something cool came of this exchange with the several opinions posted.
It's a very passionate issue, with a very emotional dynamic - in reality there really are reprenstations of real good & real evil in this story, don't you think? And I think you yourself are able to discern the fine lines about it in a social conext, whereas many of us (like me) just respond to the initial shock and righteousness we feel on behalf of a man we observed avenging his friend and a murdered mother, which I suppose we can all actually relate to, at least primaly. As stupid as that sounds, it has to count for something.
At the end of the day it's just really sad - and tragic, and while I completely agree Deputy Anders fucked up by shooting that guy in handcuffs and while obviously unarmed - to him the bad guy was just that; a very, very bad guy who robbed Anders of a sacred piece of his life, as well as perhaps even more importantly a sacred part of society, and it was his job to protect that sanctity. Some cops (the honestly really true good ones) have that ideology in their blood.
I think it is an unequivocal fact and realization that what he did was very human, even in his failure as both a Peace Officer AND a man. He had no robotic adherence to mandates set forth in manuals and standards. He acted in nano-seconds, motivated by his heart and desire to set things right. Man's social consequences had no bearing; indeed, it was about good & evil - period. That is why I think you see a few replies praising him as a hero.I believe that about Deputy Anders. I really do. And I hope that while God forbid a girl like you find yourself alone somewhere and suddenly attacked, a guy like Deputy Anders is around to take care of business.
Thought of in THAT context - I behoove (is that a word?) you to at least try to understand him and his actions in THAT context and understand that in actuality our species, initially, finds behaviour like that...understandable and sometimes neccessary. And even sometimes heroic.
I hate bad guys. I hate crime and I hate the degridation of our society as a whole, and THAT opinion is not borne of whole cloth in my personal observation of life - it's just a fact. But I make the most of it like you do (yeesh - can you tell I've been up all night?)
Thanks for challenging me. I will think about what you have said all along about this thing, and I appreciate we were able to tag our initial mean exchange as purely emotional. Your blog friends must hate me, but emplore all of them to consider like you have one side of this tragic coin, like I have the other. I DID learn something from you (I sound like Stan from Southpark now, Jesus Christ - I'd better stop now :-)
I probbaly won't check it out again so I want you to know you have my respect & wishes for a wonderful life, doing whatever it is you do when you're not "blogging":-)
Peace girlfriend -
Robb
Re: Bill Anders
Date: 2006-05-13 07:33 am (UTC)I WILL come back to see what other social issue & consequence you post in the future to piss off the masses :-)
On a side note, in terms of us men, do you know what the primary difference between meat & fish is?? If we beat our fish it would die...
Sory sorry - I'm SO sorry! I couldn't help it after all that seriousness - delete delete :-)